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Title: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 08, 2019, 03:20:46 PM
So, my does will be starting the kidding season soon, with the first due date 02-11-19. I have 4 Nigerians due to start, followed by all the standards. Another Nigerian may be preggo, an oops breeding. Who knows when she will pop.  :-[

Anyway, the udders are filling! Holy cow, one of the does isn't due until the end of this month and her udder is getting huge! The Nigerians udders show great promise of being awesome, well attached and beautifully shaped. I can't wait to see these Nigerian kids, they should be spectacular!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 09, 2019, 07:12:42 AM
I'm jealous, so very very jealous!!!  I want nigi's so bad.  Not for milking, (but a great added treat) so much as pets with maybe a few babies every now again.  I just don't want to house another buck..hahaha  :tongue:

Happy Kidding to you Deb.  I pray all goes well, and you have an awesome year. I can't wait to see babies...lots and lots and lots of babies. 

Are any of you friends in FB with Carol Sanders (aka K-Ro, here in the forum)...she has babies hitting the ground right now, and man are they gorgeous babies this year.  Nice healthy fat big babies.  Must be a good year for healthy big babies.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 09, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
BRRRR too cold for me to even try Feb kidding!  I hope and pray you have a warm up and a good warm barn :)

A friend and her husband raised Reg Nigeran's for many years.  Awesome babies and so darn cute with those colors and blue eyes!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 09, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
The temps seem to have sunk over the past day. We are headed for single digits over night. Ugh. So much for believing the famers almanac saying a mild winter. Lol

Big, bad storm heading our way...yet again. Said to be starting Tuesday evening and go thru Wednesday. Lots of snow, heavy winds and ending up with freezing rain.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 10, 2019, 07:03:46 AM
Oh man Deb...when that barometer drops that way, you will for sure have those Does kidding.  This is scary for you...I'll be praying.  Here's an idea...magically twitch your nose, and send them down here to me...we'll be in the 70's the next few days.  It's almost spring here.  Trees budded out about 2 weeks ago and then we get that cold that dropped the temps 40 degrees within a few hours, and heavy frost that night...winds were brutal...but today, it's gonna be in the 70's. Thank God.

Be safe up there.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 10, 2019, 11:19:26 AM
Is there a reason we have them kid when it is so cold??  I wondered why when I was doing it?  I still wonder why I am kidding in March with the way the weather has seemed to have changed the last few years.  I hope your girls hold them in!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 10, 2019, 05:02:00 PM
I do it for the milk. The cold minimizes the worm and cocci loads. Plus,  the kids eat more, therefor growing bigger and faster because they need the extra milk to keep warm. Kids sell better early on because people want them NOW. Later born kids don't sell as well because the buyers have already bought the earlier kids.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 11, 2019, 05:28:34 AM
I wonder if that's a "northern" thing.  Our babies sold just as well being born in March/April than they did in Feb.  I bred one year for the 4-H kids, having the kids born in Feb was the worst mistake I ever made.  It was super hard on not just me, but the mom's and babies as well.  I never had cocci or worm issues so I didn't fret about that.  I think if it's not on your farm then it's not going to happen no matter when you have kids being born.  I vowed after that first time to never do it again.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 11, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
The bitter cold kills the eggs so they don't pick up anything.

There are suddenly so many goat "breeders" up here that selling is near impossible later in the year. The earlier you get the kids born and up for sale, the faster people see them and buy or put a deposit on them.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 12, 2019, 04:36:17 PM
Mini's 145 day due date was yesterday. She didn't. However, her udder has grown substantially over night, her ligs are getting looser, so that you can actually see them sinking and she has a bit of discharge stuck around her tail. The kidding stall was erected today, so all is ready there. We are hours away from a big storm with 8-12" of snow topped with freezing rain. The temps are supposed to rise a bit, so I am hoping she kids tonight or tomorrow, as I have the next 2 days off.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 13, 2019, 06:03:48 AM
I pray she hurries, and if not that she waits til the storm is all over.  I can't wait to see babies.  Nigi babies are just the cutest little creatures EVER, besides the Pygmy babies. :) 


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 13, 2019, 01:04:35 PM
Good Luck!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 15, 2019, 04:39:35 PM
She kidded Tuesday night while I was at work. Kid was breech. We lost him because my son wasn't sure what to do. Not a very good start to my kidding season.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 16, 2019, 07:57:20 AM
 :'( :'(  That's so sad.  I'm sorry to hear that.  Is momma ok?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 18, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
I am sorry too  :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 18, 2019, 04:28:17 PM
Yeah, mom is fine. She finally stopped calling for her kid yesterday.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 19, 2019, 05:36:28 AM
I hate that mourning time for them...breaks a persons heart. 

When is the next Doe due?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 19, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
Today. Hoping she waits until tomorrow or Thursday, my days off. It's supposed to be a bit warmer those days also.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 20, 2019, 05:20:21 AM
Did she wait or not?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 20, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
I hope she waited too! 

I am glad your other doe is ok.  I also think it is heartbreaking to hear them calling and have them searching for a baby who isn't there :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 22, 2019, 04:40:20 PM
So, here's the deal. 3 Nigerians have kidded. Out of 6 kids, only 2 have survived, the others were doa. The 2 survivors appear healthy.

One of my NuManchas kidded today, 5 days early. Big, healthy twins, buck and doe. SO, its just an issue with the Nigies.

I got most of my Nigies from the same person. She bought them as a herd form a well established, fairly big name in Maine herd. She was buying all sorts of goats not looking into history, just buying because of color. I got my 1 weanling and 4 adults from her as a trade for the Nubians I sold her on payments. She lost her job and couldn't afford to pay, so she traded me this little herd for them. After I got them home, she contacted me at her vets suggestion because she had, at that point, lost almost all her kids, either right after birth or stillborn. Then, she started losing adults.

Come to find out, she had bought several goats from a dealer and another "farmer" who both had reputations for having sickly goats. They spread the numerous viral and bacterial pneumonia and who knows what else thru her new herd, and then to my herd last fall. I lost 1 of my LaManchas to it, but the rest of the herd recovered.

I fear that whatever it is, is causing this. I am going to get my vet to prescribe a course of antibiotics after culturing the birth fluids.  I have 2 more Nigerians due soon, so time will tell.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 23, 2019, 06:56:23 AM
Oh what an awful thing to have happen.  Telling you now, without warning when the trade was made is down right cruel, not to just you, but to those poor animals.  If we were back in the Roman days, she should be...well lets say, not standing to do this again to someone.  That evil heifer.

I pray to God that you find out what's wrong with them and can help them.  I'm so very sorry to hear this.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 23, 2019, 01:00:54 PM
Were they sick after you bought them?  Do you think they are carrying some type of virus that is causing the stillborns?  What an awful thing to experience  :'(   

I am curious as to why the babies would be alive in utero and dead after ( or during) birth?  The stress of being born maybe and them not being able to withstand that?

Maybe your tests will help.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 23, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
They died before being born and had been dead for a couple of days. There are some diseases that can cause this. They are going to be treated just in case.

And....on top of all that. Today I got up early (fortunately) ,  brought the dogs out and got them fed. I went down to the barn and checked on the kids. The 2 Nigie babies were fine, loudly demanding breakfast from the milk bar. I found the  Lamancha twins (the ones born yesterday morning) in the corner by the manure pile barn door. I had left them and their mom loose in the barn for the day so they could bond and get their legs under them. I had several nicely bedded areas for them where they had been laying with mom. The buckling was sleeping up on his sternum. The doeling was flat out in a very unnatural position. I grabbed her. She was lying in a frozen puddle. I thought she was dead. Her body was completely frozen stiff and deathly cold. No reflex when her eyes were touched. Couldn't even see her breathing but I did feel a faint heartbeat. I grabbed her and ran to the house. Once I got inside, I screamed for my son, who was upstairs in the bathroom. He recognized my scream as an emergency. He ran down and got me the hair dryer. While I blasted her with the hot air, Jarrod made up my coffee and molasses rescue mix. I dribbled a bit into her mouth. The stupid plug kept falling out and I didn't take that very well. I moved the kid to the computer room. Jarrod sat for about 45 minutes with the hair dryer, the doeling and a blanket, warming her up. I kept dribbling the mix into her mouth. At one point, her heart stopped. I grabbed the epi and gave her a dose. Nothing. I gave her another. That got her going. Finally, almost an hour later, we could shut off the dryer and put her in my makeshift incubator. She was warm and flexible and actually moving around a bit. I gave her a bit of colostrum mixed with the rescue mix and left her alone. Jarrod kept checking on her. She finally stood up and tried to get out of her tote. She will wouldn't take the bottle, but hopefully that will change. I don't dare put her back outside, she will get chilled to easily.

Jarrod named her Sunshine and claimed her as his. So, I guess she is staying.

Poor Jarrod. He never wanted to be a farmer, it's just seemed to fall smack into his lap.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 24, 2019, 07:10:20 AM
Was the little boy ok?

I'm so happy the little doeling made it.  Yes she will be vulnerable to any thing now...watch close for pneumonia to set in.  Poor little thing...they just can not determine hot and cold at that age.  Hopefully she takes to the bottle and eats her little belly full.  Good save Deb.

What illness are you speaking of that kills babies just before birth?  This is interesting for sure, but I'd be speaking to an attorney if I were you.  No one should do that to their animals, and then spend it off on another buyer/owner.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 24, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
She's fine, learning to drink from a bottle. Her brother is fine, he stayed out of the puddle.

The girls herd had a stewpot of diseases, come to find out after the fact. She mentioned Staph pneumonia, which is treatable. What she didn't mention is the one that is almost impossible to treat and most livestock who get it are culled. I need to speak to my vet to order me one of the antibiotics which maybe will help battle it.  Will be expensive, for sure.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 24, 2019, 02:48:20 PM
What a close call on that doeling!   I am so glad she is responding.  It really is amazing how they can bounce back ( i've had a few myself ).   I hope things go smoothly from now on for you.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 25, 2019, 05:27:29 AM
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What she didn't mention is the one that is almost impossible to treat and most livestock who get it are culled. I need to speak to my vet to order me one of the antibiotics which maybe will help battle it.  Will be expensive, for sure.

Ok, what disease is it?  The only disease in all livestock animals that I know of that's impossible to treat is Johne's disease...that's a government reportable disease that will absolutely shut your farm down for life.  All animals on the property will be destroyed and buried and burned.  But if they had that, you'd know about it through their deaths, not unborn baby deaths.  Babies that go full term, but die a few days before birth in the womb...I can find nothing at all on a research that gives such symptoms that serious and that expensive to treat.  Deb, what the heck has she done to you?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on February 27, 2019, 06:43:49 PM
Pseudomona, extremely resistant to antibiotics. I'm going to have to use a cocktail of newer antibiotics to try to treat it, but its hit or miss whether it will work. Vets just say to cull the animals.

I lost my favorite doe yesterday, my Oberhasli Phoenix. She kidded Sunday, twin does. I was at work. She had issues with the 2nd kid, so my DIL went in and pulled her. She checked for others but didn't feel anything. Phe passed her afterbirth, so we figured she was all done.

She just didn't snap back, so I went in, felt nothing.

Yesterday she just wouldn't move. I got her up and found toe tips. I went in, kid was dead and breech. Stuck. It was horrible. Rotted, awful smell. Stuck beyond belief.

Long story short, she herniated her diaphragm. Uterus with 2 more kids slid into her chest cavity, her rumen went over where the uterus should be and her vaginal wall collapsed. The kid fell apart as I was trying to pull. Her uterus was full of blood, so she had internal damage, now made worse by infection. There was no way to save her, so a neighbor put her down for me. I am beyond crushed at this point. I have her 2 daughters but I don't have my baby girl now. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 28, 2019, 05:28:38 AM
OMG!!  Deb I'm so very sorry to hear about Phoenix...I know you loved her most of all...what a terrible thing to have happen.  Bless her heart.  It's not common for an Oberhasli to have that many babies right?  I know they are prone to difficult deliveries after a few kiddings...do you think this is what happened?  Did a Vet do an autopsy to tell you what happened to her?

The Pseudomona, appears from what instant research I did, but not extensive research says it's in dairy goat breeds that have or have suffered mastitis.  Do you think her herd had mastitis before you got her?  It also shows that it responds best to Exenel antibiotics.

If major bad luck could hit you, it's done just that.  I think I'd do something about the gal you got those minis from.  I believe she knew about this before she traded.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on February 28, 2019, 01:04:06 PM
MY heart breaks for you.  I know exactly what you are going through as I lost my special doe( of 14 yrs)  last year during kidding with a kid still in there.  I felt beyond sadness :'(

Some years are just unbearable.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 01, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
There are 2 forms of Pseudomonas, one is the mastitic form. They do not have that, no mastitis. Theirs is the pneumonia form.

The girl I got them from knew they had pneumonia but not what type. That came after she lost all her bucks and had the vet do a necropsy and all sorts of labs.  I had all the goats here when she sent me the results. By then it was too late, they all had it.

The Oberhasli issue is "ring womb". No, she didn't have that. I'm guessing that the kids pulled her uterus down as they grew, tore the suspension tissue and when she went into labor it herniated her diaphragm and set off a snowball effect. The 2 remaining kids who were not born started to decompose and Phe became septic. Because her ligaments really relaxed, her pelvis opened too much and damaged her left rear leg. If it had just been 1 or 2 things, we could have saved her, but with all that went wrong, there was nothing we could do. The sepsis was the final straw.

I'm just devastated. She was going to be retired after this year to live out her life as a pet.  :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 02, 2019, 07:59:24 AM
This is unimaginable....this year is really horrific for you...years past we bad enough for sure, but this year, is devastating.  I did some more reading on that Pseudomonas, and it says it stems from muddy enclosures/environments...she must have had a real pig sty for them to be living in.  I am speechless to all this.  :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 02, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Her barn was fine, new and well bedded. Some of the goats she bought came from some hinky places, which is where all these diseases came from. She didn't quarantine, so it spread like wildfire.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 02, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
Another Lamancha doe kidded last night, twin to the one (Vicki) who kidded last week where I almost lost her doe to hypothermia. Tedi had a HUGE single doe. At birth, this doe is twice the size as all the others who are way older!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 02, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Everything going alright with her and the baby??  I hope so!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 03, 2019, 07:04:57 AM
I saw your pictures in FB and those babies are just precious.  Especially that Nigi buckling...oh man, he's a heart throb and a half!!!  Congrats on the newest arrivals.  I pray all goes well with them. 


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 03, 2019, 04:28:21 PM
Yup, that big doeling is doing fine. All the standard kids are fine, they were never exposed to the disease that plagues the Nigerians.

That buckling had big blue eyes plus white spots and large splotches of moon spots all over his back end.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 04, 2019, 05:39:52 AM
"had"....Deb, did he die?  :'(

Are the Nigi Does ok?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 04, 2019, 12:54:48 PM
"Had" ??

You haven't lost all the ND babies born have you??   I surely hope not.  You all have been through enough.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 04, 2019, 02:36:15 PM
No, Uno the buckling and the one doeling that was a singleton both survived. I have 1 more doe due any day now.

I still have several standard does that will be delivering between now and May.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 05, 2019, 07:45:48 AM
Oh thank God...that little guy is the most precious fella of all.  Man you spooked me good there.  Happy to hear they are doing good.  Our weather flipped back down into freezing temps again...super cold out there right now...and to think we had almost 80 degrees Saturday...  ???: :laugh:  The wind is horrid...beware, it will be up north before you know it.  I can't wait for this weather to stop being so unpredictable and stay one way or the other....protestors have hit the streets protesting Mother Nature for Sunshine!! hahaha...  ;D ;D

Happy Kidding Deb.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 05, 2019, 01:50:45 PM
Are you going to post pictures here?  I can't navigate FB.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 05, 2019, 06:09:59 PM
I'll try, my computer is not great about posting pictures.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 15, 2019, 06:23:32 PM
One of my Lamancha does kidded with triplets, 2 bucks and a doe. The night she kidded, the moon was just a tiny sliver. One of the bucklings was born solid black with a tiny replica of the moon on his forehead! That is so cool.  I noticed that a few little white flakes are appearing on his ears, so he sort of looks like a dark night, small moon and a few stars in the sky. I'd love to keep him as a pet, he's so adorable. Mom is actually 1/2 Lamancha, 1/4 Nubian and 1/4 Oberhasli. Dad is my Nubian. The doeling and this buckling have the Nubian ears, the HUGE last born kid, a buckling, looks just like mom, including the Lamancha ears. The doeling looks just Dad. The black buckling looks like his late maternal grand dam, who was all black with not a single white hair.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 16, 2019, 07:53:29 AM
They sound awesome.  Congratulations.  A name for your baby boy "Knight", and better yet "Reigning Knight". :)  Gotta love those babies.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 16, 2019, 01:19:29 PM
Good to hear that things are going better for you.  Congrats on healthy beautiful babies!!

I am still waiting for mine to start, but glad they have waited we had some horrible winds, storms the last few days and cold!!  It has finally moderated  in temps with sun and looks like it will stay that way.  I have 3 I am keeping my eye on.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 17, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
Sorry Birdie, my son named him Ninja. Lol


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 22, 2019, 07:16:27 PM
I just lost one of my purebred Nubian does and her unborn triplets. I have lost more goats this year than I have all totaled in 36 years of raising them. I'm just so lost. :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 23, 2019, 07:44:09 AM
OH man, Deb...what happened to her?  That's awful, and I'm so very sorry to hear that.  Which Doe was it?  Praying  :Pray all goes well from here out....I'm really sorry for your losses Deb.  :'( :'(  :HUG:


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 23, 2019, 01:06:00 PM
Oh No!  What happened?  Was it due to the illness the other goats brought in?

I am so sorry  :'(  I can't even imagine how awful you are feeling.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on March 23, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
She went down the other day, fell on the ice and it damaged her pelvis, which was very loose since her ligs were gone. She went into labor while I was at work. Kid stuck because her pelvis had collapsed on itself. Her contractions seemed to have ruptured something and she bled out, taking the triplets with her. If I had been home I could have helped her. :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 24, 2019, 08:47:42 AM
Oh Deb...how awful for her.  I'm so very sorry.  Those kind of losses are so very hard on us, but you must not blame yourself, you can't be in 2 places at the same time.  This has been an awful year for you.  :'( :'(


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on March 25, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
How awful for you and her.  Just a tragic accident.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on April 01, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
Since I lost Sassy, I had triplets from a Lamancha doe, 2 bucks and a doe. Last night Sassy's sister had triplets, 2 bucks and a doe (My Nubian buck seems to ALWAYS sire 2 bucks and a doe! LOL) She had gone down a couple of days ago, now that the kids are here I can understand why. The 2 bucks were HUGE! Once she popped them out, she sprang to her feet and has been fine since. Her kids are in the house. I now have 10 bottle kids and 5 dam raised kids. AGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on April 02, 2019, 05:54:29 AM
Well congratulations...that's awesome.  I do adore bottle babies...so when you get tired of them, just bring them over here, and I'll take care of them for you.  ;D


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on April 02, 2019, 01:16:20 PM
Do you normally bottle feed all your kids? 10 would be very time consuming!  Are they all in the house????


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on April 04, 2019, 09:39:02 PM
I pull all standard doe kids and those standard bucks that look like sire potential. The other bucklings stay with their mothers until they go to market. I do this for disease control. I can't afford all the CAE testing, so pulling at birth and raising on heat treated colostrum and pasteurized milk takes care of that.

I have 10 bottle kids right now. 5 are in the barn the other 5 in the house. My barn is flooding because of the snow melt off, or all the bottle kids would be in the barn.

I had 2 more doe kids born from my purebred Lamancha by my Nigerian dwarf. Pretty little earless girls! And then yesterday, my remaining Nigerian popped out triplets. I was off getting hay and wasn't there, didn't know she was in labor. One buck never made it out of the sack and suffocated. Another buck and a doe survived.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on April 05, 2019, 06:15:31 AM
Sorry for the loss of the one buckling.  That's so sad to see.  But you have 2 healthy happy babies, so congratulations on that.  Your total babies this year is up to what now?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on April 05, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
Do they have to be tested yearly for CAE?  I can't imagine having 5 in the house!  Congrats on the new arrivals, but sorry about the buck.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on April 05, 2019, 03:46:43 PM
Some people do, I can't afford too so I just pull the kids and use universal precautions with their birth and milk/colostrum.

I'm not sure how many live kids we've had this year. Lets see 5 in the house, 5 in a barn pen, 2 newborns, 3 in the doe pen and 2 in the Nigerian doe pen. 17 so far. I still have 3 does due to kid in April and May and 1 or 2 in July or so. Maybe, if they took.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on April 06, 2019, 07:18:59 AM
Hows the Mini Does doing?


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on April 08, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
So far, so good.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on July 14, 2019, 02:23:11 PM
Last doe of the year kidded yesterday with twins, a huge buck and a large doe. Pretty colors, nice looking kids. Mom is purebred Lamancha, sire in my former Nubian. She just wouldn't settle to the Lamancha buck so I tried it with the Nubian.

Doeling is bottle fed and in the house for the next few days. Buckling is with mom. Oddest thing. Last night when I did after work chores, the buckling had watery, brownish tan scours, nothing like normal colostrum or meconium. It just poured out of him. Moms colostrum looked normal, thick and yellow. I gave him a dose of Spectoguard and he seemed fine this morning. Not sure what happened in the 12 hours from birth until I came home, but I've never seen anything like that before. My son kept checking on him all evening while I was at work, making sure he was eating (he was). Rather peculiar! ???:


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: imalilbirdie on July 15, 2019, 05:48:03 AM
Congratulations on the new arrivals.  Always nice to get one of each when twins are born. 

well that is confusing.  As you go through you may want to find some slippery Elm and give that to him.  Slippery Elm is one product I truly think is a miracle working product.    Mom may have eaten something that's caused it to upset his stomach.


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: Julie H on July 15, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
Congratulations on the new babies!!


Title: Re: Udders!
Post by: dragonlair on July 15, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
He's doing great, the Spectoguard (I guess) did it's job. Normal colostrum poo the next morning.