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Title: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 14, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
I had a doe deliver a still born kid.  She wasn't due for at least 2 weeks .  Kid was lovely and perfect  :'(    She passed the afterbirth right next to the baby and appeared normal when we found her this morning. As of now she didn't lose any more and she looks to be big enough to have another kid in her. 

Can they lose one and carry the sibling to full term with a live birth?   

Never had it happen before like that.  I wonder if she got rammed?  I have some very irritable girls with this weather.  It was 2 degrees this morning which didn't help.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on February 14, 2020, 11:53:51 PM
I have heard of that happening, but it is very rare. Usually if they abort, they abort all the kids they are carrying.

I hope this is not the case and she goes on to have healthy twins.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 15, 2020, 07:00:48 AM
I agree with Deb.  The chances are very slim.  Bless her heart.  Sorry for your loss.  I know when one of our does was rammed and lost her kids, it was awful, not only on her but on us as well. 


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 15, 2020, 01:13:46 PM
I think she was only carrying one.  I will watch her, then I will just plan on putting her in with Bo when he comes home.  That makes 2 or maybe 3 does( 1 I'm not sure if she is bred)  who will kid in summer.  Might be a nice change!!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 17, 2020, 06:55:17 AM
You don't worry about them over heating in the summer time birthing?  Or the kids laying in the sun too long? 


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 17, 2020, 01:08:49 PM
You don't worry about them over heating in the summer time birthing?  Or the kids laying in the sun too long? 

Honestly my does seem to just shove those kids out so fast, it seems the birth os over as soon as it starts.  I have had a few birth at that time of year early on in our goat keeping and they did fine, as did the kids.

One thing I will do is keep them up at the barn when kidding is close and I can pen them out of the direct sun during the hottest part of the day.  I hate to lose the potential of 6-7 kids.  I think I can manage with some careful watching.  I have loads of time since I am no longer working-- nor will I be.  I am once again a stay at home wife and loving it!!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on February 18, 2020, 09:31:24 AM
I usually have a couple of stragglers who kid in July, during the hottest part of summer. I know it doesn't get as hot up here as it does down there, but mine are used to cooler temps, so the heat is just as brutal to them. My kids seem to stay out of the hottest of the heat, as do the does, and I have never had issues with heat and the kids. For me, the problems of the summer births are for worm and cocci loads because we are usually very humid which those blasted parasites LOVE.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 19, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Worm issues are almost year round here, so I am not too worried about that.  I am doing the copper every 6 months and I already have it purchased  for the kids when they are old enough.

Bo came home yesterday :)  He walked off the trailer and when we put him in his old pen, he calmly gazed around, went into the stall and hopped into the manger( his favorite spot).  I had the 3 does in the pen on his arrival.  My friend said he was a nervous, unhappy goat when he went to their place ( upon arrival).  She said "I think he remembers this place".  I said " i think your right".  Bo then came up and asked for a kiss.  I obliged since he didn't smell too bad ;D.  Then he started eating...

Kids could start coming on the 26th.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 20, 2020, 06:14:12 AM
Julie that's so odd that you have worm issues year round.  In MO and AR we really didn't have any issues with worms.  I know our land in AR was maiden land, no other livestock had ever been ran on that property, and I truly think that's why we had no issues with them, and the fact that they were wormed every 3 months helped.  In Missouri, we were running different animals, cattle, horses, hogs, goats, and chickens.  But there was 1200 acres to do that on, so no one was crowed or running together.  I wonder if that's why we didn't have issues?  Now down here in LA and TX, yeah buddy, worms are an issue year round.  In LA, we rotated wormers every 8 to 10 weeks.  You didn't miss a worming session for sure.  The other threats down here are Polio and Listeria.  They'll wipe you out in no time. 

Bo sounds so awesome.  I'll bet he is happy to be home.  Will you have to merge him back onto your grain, or did your friend feed the same grain? 

Happy Kidding Season to you.  How's the shoulder doing?


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on February 20, 2020, 03:17:56 PM
My big Lamancha buck, Adammair, loves to be kissing...on the lips, of course. Silly boys!

Here's hoping for some nice healthy kids for you!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 21, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
I guess I should clarify .  Not year round with worms, but one the grass starts growing the battle is on. I have 2 pastures that I rotate but not much you can do when they to the grazed down spots over and over as well as the abundant grass.  I let it all get long before I turn them out, but they go rift to certain spots immediately.

I think things would be easier with no pasture.  They do love going out on it.

Yes, Dragon right on the lips!!  Those lovable boys are something ;D

Today is day 145 from when Bo as first put in.  I hope they go another week, but man a few are really hanging low.

I am doing good Birdie.  Done with PT and just doing my stretching and strengthening exercises 3 times a day now at home.  I was doing it 4 times but it takes almost an hour and I felt I no sooner got done than I had to do them again.  I wasn't getting anything accomplished in between!!

My doctor was pleased with my progress and the X-ray they took at my appointment last week.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 22, 2020, 07:25:57 AM
Julie that's really good to hear.  So happy that you're healing so well.  Please be careful...I do know how easy it is to say "I can do that.." and it come back and bite you in the bun real quick.  Sounds like you've got a lot of excitement coming up.  I so wish it were my issue as well.  What I wouldn't give to be back in the surroundings of creatures instead of Loud vehicles, airplanes, and the over abundance of people.  I long to hear the baa's of the goats at feeding time, the moo's of the cows calling their calves, the cackle of the hens as they lay eggs, I really really miss that.  The stars at night that can be seen for miles away.  The call of the whiperwill.  I don't think I'll ever have that back now.  So, enjoy what you have, even though the work load is overwhelming, and the down days are sometimes devistating.  Take a deep breathe of the night air and look up to count the stars, the sunrise over the forest trees, a cup of coffee on the front porch, the peace and quiet of the new fallen snow.  I long for those days. 


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on February 22, 2020, 01:16:29 PM
Julie that's really good to hear.  So happy that you're healing so well.  Please be careful...I do know how easy it is to say "I can do that.." and it come back and bite you in the bun real quick.  Sounds like you've got a lot of excitement coming up.  I so wish it were my issue as well.  What I wouldn't give to be back in the surroundings of creatures instead of Loud vehicles, airplanes, and the over abundance of people.  I long to hear the baa's of the goats at feeding time, the moo's of the cows calling their calves, the cackle of the hens as they lay eggs, I really really miss that.  The stars at night that can be seen for miles away.  The call of the whiperwill.  I don't think I'll ever have that back now.  So, enjoy what you have, even though the work load is overwhelming, and the down days are sometimes devistating.  Take a deep breathe of the night air and look up to count the stars, the sunrise over the forest trees, a cup of coffee on the front porch, the peace and quiet of the new fallen snow.  I long for those days. 

I am so sorry you are stuck in a place you would rather not be.  The things we have to do for our spouses is hard at times.  I know you still have property in Arkansas?  No chance of ending up there when Shane retires??

As hard ( and painful at times) as it is with the animals, I am glad I don't have to be without.

If you leave now you can be up here in time for kidding  ;D  I have one who I am watching.  praying she holds out another week in hopes of warmer weather!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 24, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
Thanks Julie.  I look forward to seeing pictures of all your newborns this year.  They were so spectacular last year.

Yes, we still own property in AR.  We would love to go back there when Shane retires.  Our only hold back for that property is it's vacant land.  We would have to build.  That land is in Bella Vista AR.  So again another subdivision type thing, only 1000% better than the one we are in now.  It would be more secluded though, as there is only one house built up there.  So we would not have neighbors to be concerned with and privacy would be way better.  That property over looks one of the 8 lakes in Bella Vista.  So the scenery would be breathe taking.  But will we be able to build?  Their deed restrictions requires at least a 2000 sq foot home.  Would it be better for us to purchase a home else where or build on that land?  There are so many things running through our mind for retirement.  Of course when that's the time on your hands, that's what you do, think about retirement. haha.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on February 28, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
If you sold your current home, would you be able to purchase a smallish farm in AR with a house and barns already built and in good shape? How many years before Shane can retire?


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on February 29, 2020, 06:59:21 AM
Deb, we are hoping that's the case & possibility.  The housing market here, is out of this world expensive.  This house is over a half million dollar home and if it was in Arkansas it might be worth 350k.  So yeah, we're hoping that this beast brings enough to buy something like a house and 10 acres or so of land in AR.  I know what we'd save in taxes alone would be able to make all the payments on any thing that it didn't cover.  Our taxes on this house is 11,000.00 a year.  Not to mention the triple cost of house insurance, vehicle insurance, and boat insurance.  That would drastically drop if we were in AR.  Shane still has 5 more years before he can retire.  My dog training is doing really well over here, and I'm now saving every penny of that for when we do retire.  It's not a lot, but it sure does help. 


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on February 29, 2020, 11:02:05 PM
Holy Guano Bat Man, your taxes are more than my mortgage for the year!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 01, 2020, 06:58:26 AM
Yes Deb...they are more than any other state we have ever lived in.  They say it's because we don't have state income tax.  We never paid this much state income tax in any other state either.  Then you triple the insurance costs and we're at 17,600.00 per year for taxes and insurance.  You really do not save just because there isn't any state income tax.  I'm also told it's because of the county we live in.  Since we haven't lived in any other county I don't know if that's right or not.  Our vehicle (2 trucks) insurance is 2400.00 a year.  Our house insurance is 3400.00 per year.  Our boat insurance is 800.00 per year.  So that 6600.00 would pay the insurance and taxes in AR.  Over all, it's so much cheaper to live in MO, AR, or LA than it is to live in TX.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on March 01, 2020, 02:33:28 PM
What a rip oft pay such high prices/ taxes.  Arkansas is probably one of the most affordable states to live in.  I hope it works out for you when retirement arrives!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on March 02, 2020, 03:24:27 AM
You pay out in taxes and such more than I make for pay in a year! Wow, I so wish you could get out of there and move back to Arkansas.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 02, 2020, 06:28:29 AM
The day will come, eventually.  We'll be back where we want to be.  Our health kinda got us thinking that the drastic cold might not be so good on us any more.  I tell ya, we loved that house we had in LA.  Remodeling it the way we wanted it done.  Selecting items that would last us a life time, and be gorgeous and in style for a long time.  We would love to have that house and property back for sure.  The location was awesome, the town was nice, the weather was good most all year.  Hurricanes were no threat and the flood that did hit the city didn't touch our property at all.  I had friends that were such good people.  And the cost of living was just a little higher than what it was in AR.  Milk was the worst, at 6.00 per gallon with dairy farms all around us, made me shake my head wondering WTH!!  Arkansas I do love that state.  I love my Son, DIL, and grand kids being there.  By the time we retire, Kylie will be graduating high school, and off to college.  I don't know if when we return, the grand kids will be of an age to give a hoot (so to speak...lol), that we're home or not.  They will have their own lives they are tied up in.  The seasonal changes are so gorgeous, cost of living manageable, housing costs affordable, but those dog gone cold winters...wow, cuts through me like a knife.

So as you can tell, we aren't sure yet if it will be Louisiana, or if it will be Arkansas...but at this point Arkansas is where we want to be. 


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on March 02, 2020, 06:40:26 PM
I hate the cold, and winters up here, but I love Maine and have been a New Englander all my life, so I guess I will be here til I die.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 03, 2020, 05:23:18 AM
Deb I can sympathize with that.  I was born and raised in Missouri.  Most all my family is there (including my ex family, but I still love them no matter how crazy they are!! lol).  When I moved to Arkansas with Shane, I didn't look back.  I loved our town in AR, I loved our Friends, and neighbors.  That was home in my heart.  Missouri faded away...and Arkansas became my home.  Then Kyle moved down there, and he loved it so much there, that Missouri faded from his heart as well.  He still goes home to see his Dad and his Dad's family...I haven't been home since 2012 when my brother passed away. 

Something about those heart strings that wins over on those roots.


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: Julie H on March 03, 2020, 01:12:46 PM
I wouldn't consider AR cold!


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: dragonlair on March 06, 2020, 09:21:06 PM
Nor would I! LOL


Title: Re: Stillborn kid
Post by: imalilbirdie on March 08, 2020, 07:46:22 AM
AR is way colder than LA or TX...but not nearly as cold as MO.  AR mountains are cold though.  When it comes down out of the mountains, then it's just flat bitter cold.