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imalilbirdie
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« on: September 14, 2013, 05:01:30 AM »

Morning folks...

I was wondering...do any of you all use the Liquid Safeguard that you use on goats or even the cattle safeguard on your dogs?

If you do, what's your dosage?  Do you give it the 3 days like normal Dog safeguard? Or do you go longer?

When you give it, do you dilute it with water and then dose it per body weight?  Or do you give it straight?

It's tape, pin, hook and round worm season here, and I thought after I give the Ivomectrin to the dogs this time, I'd wait 10 days and dose the dogs with the safeguard along with the goats...cleanse every one at the same time.  Plus my dogs run with my little girls in the yard, so my dogs tend to eat a little poo' here and there (oh I know, it makes me gag too!! I hate it when they do that!  Don't Feel Good ), so if I'm worming those girls, and those dog gone dogs nibble on some wormy poo' then I've got issues inside my dogs, and I can't handle that...eeeekkkkkkkk!!!  Crazy  Usually I quarantine my goats to a small area that they can't pass these worms all over the pastures..but my goats are up to date with worming...so I'm not too concerned about shedding worms all over the place at this point.

Got notification that the other area goat herders are having to worm once a month now...saying they are having the worst season ever for worm loads...I'm still worming every 8 to 10 wks...though it's worse down here than in AR, I haven't seen any thing of an overload....now watch that come back and bite me in the back side with vengeance!! hahahah.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 06:50:25 AM »

Doesn't worming that often lead to the worms gaining resistance to the wormer???
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 06:53:08 AM »

I would highly think so Nancy...

However, the worm loads down here are absolutely horrible.

You can tell every animal down here from Cattle to horses and all animals in between that, that have not been wormed properly...it takes very little time for worm overloads down here.

I've never in my life seen such worm problems..even with dogs/cats.

If you don't stay one step ahead of them, they'll take over in a flash.

I'm switching wormers with every worming...but I do have to worm every 2 months...I'm on virgin grounds, so worms have not been established on our property...I can't imagine what these folks go through that aren't on virgin grounds.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 02:44:53 PM »

I use it . The canine is 22.2% Fenbendazole and the equine/livestock/goat is only 10%. I  triple dose the dogs when I use the livestock Safeguard.

My dogs eat any kind of poo, horse, goat and CHICKEN! Scared Shocked Of course, after they have a mouth full they decide I need a big ole sloppy kiss!

What kind of worms are you getting in your goats? Most goat worms will not live inside a dog.

If you are still feeding the Fasttrack to your goats, that goat poo will be loaded with probiotics, so as gross as it sounds, it's actually good for your dogs.  Wink Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2013, 04:31:51 AM »

Oh yes, I'm still feeding the fastrack...it's worth it's weight in gold to me...hahaha.

Dragon you say that goat worms won't live inside a dog...however, back home...do you remember me talking and telling you all about Dr. Hobbs, the Caprine specialist that I had back in AR?  Dr. Hobbs shared with me a bunch of information as to why you do not want to run different species of livestock together, and went on into explaining to me the transfer of tape, pin, round and hook worms from Dog to Goat...which I found out to be true when the fox carried hookworms onto our property and one of my goats got hookworms from that fox, and I wasn't killing them off using that nasty herbal wormer stuff and she got super dooper sick (boy did I learn a hard valuable lesson from that!!)...but any way...I assumed with that, it could be reversed goat to dog transfer.

Though I know my girls are good right now...it's only a matter of time before it does happen to us.  I know and realize I've been blessed and very lucky at this point.  But I am trying hard to stay on top of this, and listen to the area herders who've had so much trouble.  I am not looking forward to the day that it does happen to me for sure.

So Dragon if you give your dogs 3x's the amount of safeguard that you do for your goats...what's your dosage for your dogs? 3cc's per 10lbs?  I dose the safeguard to my goats, dosing 1cc per 10lbs of body weight once daily for 5 days, but for the dogs, our Vets run it for 3 days. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 02:46:44 PM »

I have the breakdown at home, I'm at work right now, and I don't remember right off hand how much I dose them. I'll dig it out tomorrow (or tonight after chores, which will actually be tomorrow since it will be 0200 my time laugh)
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 05:38:36 AM »

thanks Dragon.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 11:37:26 AM »

I don't remember how I arrived at the dosage, but it was quite involved, changing liquid measure (ml) to solid (grams) and back again. Anyway- the gist of it is-
1 ml/cc of  10% safeguard (liquid or paste) per 5 pounds of dog weight-

Dosage

25 lbs= 5 ml/cc 3 days in a row
50= 10
75= 15
100=20

I used to use the liquid, but changed to the paste after I ended up with 10 big dogs. The large tube of cattle paste was more logical when I use 190cc of it  a day for 3 days!!!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 02:49:29 PM »

NO DOUBT!!  I would have too!

My thing is, I have Prince who's 325+ lbs, Tadpole who is approx. 275 to 295 lbs, Hanna who is 95lbs, Mercy close behind Hanna at 90lbs, and then Samson who is knocking 200lbs or better right now, and then Sasha who is 117lbs.  That's a lot of Safeguard!! hahaha....

Ya know, this go round, I might just drop by the Vets office and pick up the doggie safeguard...just so I know for sure I have enough goat safeguard to do my goats..I don't want to run them short for sure.

We start our Ivomec worming in a few weeks, redose in 10 days, and then we start our safeguard worming 10 days after that second dose of Ivomec...so I want every thing ready when it's time.

Dragon I'm gonna make this thread a sticky, because I don't want this dosage rate to be lost inside this board, and it'll make it much easier to find for future questions on this.

Thanks for that info..I appreciate it greatly...especially knowing what's greatly on your mind right now.  take care and thanks again.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »

Instead of the liquid, maybe the large tube of cattle safeguard (that you use the calking gun looking thing for) would be better for all the poundage that you have to treat! That's what I did, started using that. Much more economical.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 06:04:54 AM »

They have the large bottle of liquid cattle safeguard...I probably should have bought that.  Normally I don't worm my dogs with safeguard...the Ivomec works dandy on them once a month...but you know those "gut" notions that tells you "well maybe I had better do a round of that on my dogs."  That's what's urging me on.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 05:17:43 AM »

The ivomec doesn't take care of the typical hook/pins etc, only heart and rounds. So, yes, safeguard - I tihnk it's 3 days at 30mg per lb. I have a call in to my vet for something else, I'll try to remember to ask her,.

Thanks Candace...I appreciate that.

Sammy and Sasha never get fleas or ticks...and I have them in just the yard...so normally they don't pick up hook/pin/tape/round worms, but with them eating goatie poo...now I'm worried about it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2018, 06:38:44 AM »

I use the Safeguard that comes in pellets with 16 oz per 1000lb animal.  The pellets are flavored like feed, and the goats, and dogs eat with their feed.  I give dogs the Ivermec  1/10th cc per 10lbs monthly, and SG every two months to dogs. The adding to feed is so much easier than trying to handle the large goats.  I also use Equamax, horse paste at times(Ivermec/tape) .  There is always so much confusion on the dosage of Ivermectin, which involves worming vs heart worm worming- which re quires much less Ivermec .  The 1/10th cc per 10lb is a universal dose for most animals (not collies or herding dogs), and it always gets the HW's in the larger dose, so why worry about the much lower dose required for HW, when the universal dose does it all--except tapes.  The Vets use much larger doses for dogs with mange, hot spots, etc. I recommend using the Ivermec SQ in skin conditions. The Ivermectin is used orally in humans for worms as well. I use the SG blocks for my donkey's as well, and they look great.
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