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dragonlair
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« on: October 01, 2016, 11:16:18 AM »

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=127

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 04:53:32 AM »

That's in human consumption right?

There was a study I found on Black Oil Sunflower Seeds, years ago.  The use of it in Livestock animal feeds.  It showed the selenium rate right about where this study shows for human consumption, but the protein was way higher than this study shows.  Maybe because Humans do not eat the shells and livestock does.  But any way, it showed that digestible protein of BOSS in Livestock feeds was 34%.  That's pretty dog gone high compared to other ingredients of feeds...including Alfalfa pellets.  The oils, and Vit. E's are high in the shells as well as the meat of the BOSS. 

I really like using the BOSS.  My goats sparkle like metallic paint.  Their hair is soft.  They just look 100% better. 
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Julie H
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 02:40:01 PM »

I've never used it.  Where do you get it and do they eat it shells and all?  I see it for birds but BOSS for livestock is different right?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 06:18:43 AM »

Nope...it's the black oiled sunflower seeds like you feed the birds.  It only needs to be the black seeds...not the striped seeds.  It's great for supplementing the Selenium. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2016, 07:43:27 AM »

Get the yellow bag in Tractor Supply, as it is best BOSS I have found.  The other stores of BOSS, were very dry, brittle, and did not make the goats coat shine like the one at TSC.  I forget the brand name, but is around 15$ for 50lbs.  Most game love them, as I have the fattest squirrels, and rabbits in county.
 I also use for wildlife, in feeders.
 Pam is correct, you want slick coats, just mix in with your feed (better quality of feed--better coats).
 I mix the BOSS with Noble, and some Alfalfa pellets, and I have great looking goats. My neighbor buys the 12 cents a pound, 14% feed at a farm store, and his goats look like death made over.  He comes by to look at my goats, and can't understand why his looks so bad!! Wah!!  The cheap feed is in almost a powder, with different ingredients, to make the 14%.  You are what you eat!!  Now, and forever!!
 I understand cost, and if you have meat goats, the more weight you place on them, the better return on your money and time spent. A better quality feed, with the BOSS, will make a difference in your herd. I did notice the cheap feed did not have a 2 to 1 ratio of Cal to Phos, and the Copper was so low, I almost made a bad remark to the salesman trying to sale me the feed.  I would hesitate for the males with this feed, and you surely would have to copper bolus with this cheap feed.
 You can purchase a high % of Protein in a dog feed, but all the fillers, and junk that is in the rest of ingredients, will result in you dogs living shorter lives, and poor coats.
 Nutrition is the key to quality livestock---it ain't bad for your kids either!!

Gonna miss the good advice, when Pam moves to Texas-- no fun, too many folks, traffic jams, gangs, don't let your car windows down, carry at least a 38, no animals will result in a sadness leading to depressed days-- how about boredom?? I don't see a good light at the end of the tunnel for Pam, and the big city, for a country gal!    Just kidding, I pray God blesses you and the move, and places a circle of protection around you, and whatever you do!  Better buy a little dog!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 01:03:59 PM »

I don't have TSC here, but will look at what my feed dealer has.  What is the amount added to feed?  Say-- by the pound of feed?

Birdie?  Are you moving??
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 03:06:28 PM »

The name of the BOSS I use is Royal Wing, oiled sunflower seed.   I just add to feed, with Alfalfa pellets into a plastic bucket, and scoop out of this with approx. 1/2 to 1 lb per goat. I use a screen scoop with a handle, that is a household item used as a strainer.   I would guess if feeding straight feed per feeding, I would add the BOSS depending upon the condition of goat's coat. 

 It always depends upon the situation----what condition is your goat in?
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2016, 08:34:01 PM »

I get mine from my Blue Seal dealer. Watch out for places like Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot. They sell BOSS that has been treated with a plant growth inhibitor that keeps the seeds form sprouting. I don't want my animals ingesting that.

I wouldn't rely on BOSS for selenium. Sunflowers need selenium, but can make their own if the soil is deficient. The selenium replacement mineral they make is NOT bioavailable to animals, only plants. Unless I knew for certain where the BOSS came from, and knew the soil content of that general area, I wouldn't trust it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2016, 03:51:31 AM »

I buy my BOSS at our Local Ace Hardware that is also a Livestock Feed dealer.  I prefer the smaller kernels of BOSS.  The larger kernels (seeds), seem to be as Charles explained, dry and brittle and I can notice a difference in my goats hair coat from the larger seeds to the smaller seeds.  Sounds weird I know, but I was buying the 50lb bags of it (and yes, Charles mine comes in a yellow bag as well, but for the life of me I can't remember the name on the bag, because I switched so long ago, I can't remember), and before I could use it all, it was going bad, and BOSS down here is not nearly as cheap as it is up north.  A 50lb bag was over 25.00.  Wasting it because I couldn't use it all in that length of time was not my idea of a good thing.  So my local store, started dividing down a 50lb bag and selling it in smaller 10lb and 15lb bags and that was right up my alley.  I could use it all before it went bad.  And I can see the seeds through the plastic bag, and buy the smaller seeds instead of the larger seeds.  I could tell the difference in the seeds coloration...the small seeds were shiny and jet black...the larger seeds were black but a dull black color.  So I stuck with the smaller seeds and it made a big difference in my goats.

I don't feed a lot of BOSS.  Our girls are large breeds, Hanna and Mercy got maybe 10 seeds per feeding.   Prince got a little more, about 20 seeds per feeding because I was upping his protein amount and I was needing weight back on him so I upped his fat as well.  BOSS will make your goats fat for sure.

I've used BOSS in all three states that I have lived in as a supplement of Selenium.  Now maybe I'm just lucky or blessed by God, I don't know...but I have never had a selenium issue in my goats from Missouri to Arkansas and now to Louisiana where we are seriously deficient in Selenium.  So maybe God watches over my stupidity, I don't know...but so far so good.  Copper is very important, not just for the goat who is deficient in Copper, but it also counts if the goat is deficient in copper as the to absorption of Worming medications.  I have switched to using the Copper bolus' one week prior to worming.  That has worked wonders down here where the worm overloads are awful bad.

Yes, Julie I am moving...I will start another thread and explain to every one in Members Only. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2016, 10:40:06 PM »

Pam, you crack me up on counting seeds, and raisins in your feeding.  I just look at goat, and guestimate what it needs, (more than 10 seeds for sure, as my goats are looking good.) I think more in lines of a tablespoon per feeding, or if looking too lean, I may use a little more.  They always respond in a positive way, and mine are best looking in county for a Boki goat.  I will alternate days if looking too heavy, and just by watching the goats, you will see what they need.  I never will hesitate to give the Copper boluses again, as I have really seen the benefit of this addition in my program of feeding. When you spend time daily with the goats, and intertwine with their quest for life, you will know what to do for their proper care.
 The addition of quality Alfalfa pellets, mixed with some BOSS, and Noble, has really brought my goats to a
high level of conformation, and muscle mass, that without this supplement, it would not have happened.
 You gals with kids in 4 H shows, will really put on mass if you follow this regimen.

 Pam, I hate to see my mentor go, and I wish you well; however, you can't take the country out of the country gal, and being happy is critical as we age in life.  I will pray a blessing of protection upon your life, and I would not worry with 4 promotions---ching, ching, ching.  Just will have to do quarterly taxes--just like Trump!!
Yehaw   --  It has been a pleasure to know you per email, and I hope someone continues the site, and I know it will be a hard job without your quest for excellence.   God bless  --- don't be a stranger, as there only seems a few to contribute these days. 
 Loop up, pray up, pack up, we are going to be leaving this ole earth soon!!   Yes, I know I am correct for all you doubting Thomas's !!  Remember, he had to see the nail scared hands, and wound in His side to believe.
 I pray all are saved, and believe He lived, born of a virgin, died, arose on the 3rd day that we may be saved, and have everlasting life.  If you believe this and change your ways to walk with Christ, you will be saved!!!
Remember, you may know all things, can prophecy the future, move an object from one place to another, but if you do not have love, you have NOTHING!!  Forgiveness is the answer to many of our problems. God bless
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2016, 04:18:02 AM »

Thanks Charles, but truly, I don't yet know the outcome of GB.  I haven't set out a plan for it yet.  At this time it will stay up and running.  I'm not going any where, just because I'm moving.  We'll see what happens when I get to Texas.

Even if GB goes down, I'm available to every one via text, telephone, or email.  I won't be that far away. Smiley
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Julie H
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 12:50:44 PM »

I Started feeding the BOSS on January 1st.  I am adding it to the feed when I mix it and then adding some by hand as well.  Will see what happens when they shed out this Spring  Smiley

I will say everyone hoovers them up, that is for sure...
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2017, 07:08:26 AM »

Julie, don't feed too much of it...it's very fattening.  If the Does are bred, the kids will be huge.  We put 50lbs to a ton of feed when we had our feed mixed.  You can also founder them with BOSS, so please don't add too much.  If it's like 5 to 10 seeds per goat, that's alright, though 10 seeds is a bite much.  It takes very little to do a good job.
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nancy d
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2017, 10:57:57 AM »

Ok here we go, Pam & I differ on this.
My girls get a handful of it in every feeding. Plus BoSe two or three times a year. But the only stretch they are grained is from kidding till weaning.
A good loose mineral with plenty copper really helps as well. on a bright sunny day ya go blind looking at them.
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Julie H
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2017, 12:34:19 PM »

I put a couple of handfuls into the 50 pound batch of feed I mix, then sprinkle about 10 seeds on top of their individual rations, so I think this is o.k. ?    Their weight is good  and they are about 2 1/2 months bred.
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