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dragonlair
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« on: August 25, 2017, 10:34:01 AM »

The last 2 "for sale" kids are leaving today. I have my car ready to go, just have to catch the hooligans later this afternoon to crate and haul them north to meet with the new owner of 1 who is also transporting the other to her new owner. I was going to keep both of them, but then just decided I didn't have the space, extra money and time to raise them, so when the offer to buy came up, I took it. One is a Nubian doeling, the other is a Mini Nubian doeling. What also made me change my mind is I own both sires, so I would have no one to breed them to next fall.

For someone who is on vaca, and really wanted to get stuff done around the farm, I have spent every day so far driving someplace far away. I just want a day or 2 to putter around, nap and relax. Ugh.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2017, 12:31:40 PM »

that's great Dragon, the new homes.
How long are you on vacation?
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Julie H
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2017, 01:26:14 PM »

I am keeping 2 girls this year. I wanted to keep 2 more but someone bought 1 and now I have 2 interested buyers scheduled for my remaining 5 . I always have more buyers than does so I am thinking I may offer them a yearling I have.  

I have only sold one buckling  Angry  They are eating me out of house and home and  driving me and the older does crazy and are auction bound on Thursday.  Next year I will band them all.  Lesson learned !!

I am glad you have buyers too.  I hope you get some puttering time.
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nancy d
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2017, 01:52:13 PM »

An FF and her two  5 mo old does were suppose to have been out of here last week.

Oh Julie to have more buyers than you can supply is a wonderful thing.

A few years ago we had a 75% Boer born. He was a single & before we knew it he was too big for the bander.
Never saw extension or action. He was 3 months old when we took him to freezer camp.
5 mos after he left his own mama popped out some kids. Then half the does started forming udders.  Angry
He really threw a monkey wrench in my breeding program.
But get this I sold a bottle baby "mutt" to a top notch breeder. She bred her to her own enobled buck. They produced a beautiful colorful doe who raked in blue ribbons at a few shows.
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2017, 06:53:39 AM »

 Grin Grin  Nancy I had one of those "oops" breedings too...ruined my program that year too.  I called him the "Fertile Freak!"  hahaha.  Grin Grin

Hey Deb, that's great that you have buyers coming in that way, but I hope you're charging for this "meeting" and "travel" stuff you are having to do.

Julie, I had that same issue...not enough goats for the buyers I had...that included my bucklings.  I have to say, I was lucky when it came to buyers for my goats.  I did take the inbred boys, and one sterile Doe into the slaughter auction...I wasn't having my name on those boys, unless someone wanted them as wethers.  The Doe, we tried for 3 yrs to get her to breed to a buck and she wouldn't.  Had her checked and nothing wrong with her.  She was mean to the other Does (lost me a set of really nice Genemaster twin babies and almost lost their momma), and she hated the babies, and I put her in with the buck for a companion and she was terrified of him.  So she had to go.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2017, 09:28:43 AM »

Well, one sale fell through. The woman who I met (repeat buyer who LOVES my minis) got hers but said the guy who was buying the standard Nubian doeling bought one closer and supposedly notified me. Didn't get his notice, so she came back home with me. I'll offer her for sale, if no one buys her, she will stay here. I will breed her to an outside Nubian and sell her as a FF milker. She's incredibly well bred and a beauty, so she should have some nice kids and a gorgeous udder.

Last year I couldn't sell my animals, mostly because we had the 3rd year of poor hay crops. This year we had a better hay year, so all my does sold quickly (except for this little doeling) but I had a buck year and almost no does to sell. The bucks, on the other hand, did not sell well at all and several went to a dealer for $1.00/lb  Angry. I had 2 that were super sire quality and would have kept one myself except they were related to most of my herd. The dealer kept one as his herd sire but the other went for meat.  Cry Angry. I kept 1 (litter mate to this left behind doeling) to breed to my 2 Nubian x yearlings who will be for sale after they are bred. He is sharp looking and has spots, so maybe he will sell. The 2 remaining bucks are being raised for freezer camp the end of September before hunting season and the rush for people to put their smaller livestock in the freezer starts. I hate to do this, but I will have another mouth to feed, no raise at work, so I will need to meat.

Like Julie, my bucks drove me CRAZY this year.......my son will be home this February, so all bucks will be banded unless they are perfect. I will give them 3 weeks to sell as bottle kids or at least get a deposit on them, or they get banded.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2017, 01:07:43 PM »

You gals watch about the Ooops , as my little black doe has sold herself per my Dr., giving me a shoulder shot, and saw the picture.  I don't know if I will or not sale her.  She is gowing like a weed; however, my two young bucks are just starting to eat, and are as large as Willie now.  The BoKi is so much more in conformation mass than the Kiko.   My PC has been down for several days, and am praying for all in Texas during the storm, as my sister is in San Antonio. 
 What do you ladies use for the kids to feed from , and keep the moms off?   I am looking at my calf feeder, and I think I will either place a piece of plywood over the end, and cut a door for the kids to go thru, or use a piece of 4x4, wire panel to make an opening to keep moms out.  I will free feed the kids for first few months.
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Julie H
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 01:24:29 PM »


5 mos after he left his own mama popped out some kids. Then half the does started forming udders.  Angry


This is my biggest fear !  At least 4  of the boys are as tall as the mothers .

It has never happened to me and from what I can see the big does are not on board with the young bucks advances and they don't seem to bother my few remaining young girls.  My buyer is coming on Monday and that should clean me out of doelings ( except my 2 dappled beauties  Grin  ).

They have grown really well this year.  Must be the clover added in the hay??

cbdale--  I don't creep feed.  They just get what they can when I put it out every evening.  Except 4 kids who eat with their mothers who I grain separately.  The kids realized mom was getting food so they started coming in too.  It was easier to feed them. One buckling was a tiny guy and the extra 2 grain feedings have tripled his size and he looks fabulous.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 07:41:24 PM »

My kids get a creep feeder after they've learned how to eat their mama's
 grain.
Depending how on how they are doing, it is either two or three times a day.

Charles make your entrance small. A two foot tall opening those mamas will squeeze though.
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Julie H
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2017, 01:14:13 PM »

My kids get a creep feeder after they've learned how to eat their mama's
 grain.
Depending how on how they are doing, it is either two or three times a day.

Charles make your entrance small. A two foot tall opening those mamas will squeeze though.

Also make it crash proof.  I tried building a creep feeding pen but the does just wouldn't give up and crashed it to bits  Angry  Kind of ended my desire to creep feed.
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nancy d
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2017, 03:15:13 PM »

"Crash proof" Julie you got that right!   Grin
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 08:32:28 AM »

Well, I have 3 bucklings going today. The 2 that were supposed to be heading for freezer camp grew way too big for me to transport. I couldn't find a slaughterhouse that had an opening soon enough, even though I started trying to schedule an appointment in July.  I guess next year I will start in March!

The spotted buckling I wanted to keep and breed to 2 of my does before selling suddenly became rutty, like major, and because the 2 meat kids were still in the extra stall, I had no where to put him away from the does. As it stands now, I may have some early kids next spring. Grrrrrrrrr. Oh, well, not the does I wanted to breed him to but he is super quality. A couple of them (hopefully he was too short to reach!  Roll Eyes ) will need to be aborted if they don't come back in heat.

So I put an ad for him on the Maine goats facebook page and within 5 minutes he was sold. The buyer is coming today to get him.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 01:12:56 PM »

I am glad you got them sold.  I also share your aggravation on not having adequate space to put everyone you are trying to keep Angry    I am really afraid that my young boys did breed several of my does, won't know for sure until late Dec/ Jan.

I really wish I had a designated " buck pen" like I had in MN but I don't see that happening anytime soon, so I just do the best I can with what God gave me.
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 04:28:20 PM »

I use a calf, creep feeder, expensive, but like a fort, with feeder on one end and a rail on each side and bars on front.  Works great.  My two Genemaster males are about two months old now, and are a great looking pair of buck kids.  I hate to band them as they are so good.  Yes, I believe in some goat feed first few months, as the results are worth the growth to me.  My little Oooops gal, is looking great, with good utter, and length.  She only heels and will stay for now, but more work is in order.  Yehaw  My Boer doe is a pig when eating, and will run everyone away to eat everything.  I don't like her; however, she triples , or a double this last breeding, and a grat mom to her kids.  She is terrible about butting my dogs, when they are in with her, and I mean butt hard.  My male Pyrenees will not take it, and grabs her by the skin, and they go in a circle for a short distance.  The doe gets the message, and doesn't continue to butt him.  I don't blame the dog, as she is so mean.  I am going to sell her as soon as I can.  I just I do not have any surprises with my two young bucks.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 05:30:50 AM »

I wish I could share your worries and woes.  I really miss my goats.  I miss the farm so bad I could ... well you get the message.

Here's a thought Julie...maybe make a small round pen for them on the outside of your pasture and make a hoop hut for their shelter.  I did this with Weedle.  It held him nicely and the hoop hut worked great.  He had plenty of shade and protection from the weather.  4 of the 16' goat panels makes a nice little enclosure for them.  You don't need a gate if you take one panel and cut it in half and use one as a gate.

Deb congratulations on the sales of your boys.  I do hope all of you do not have oops breedings.  You will never know if it's inbred or not.  Don't want to pass that genetic on to anyone. 
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