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Julie H
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« on: April 30, 2020, 12:37:15 PM »

I have never been successful at having a way to creep feed my kids.  The does would just smash down anything we attempted to put up.  It seems every year I have 1 kid that just needs extra and it just won't take a bottle no matter how soon or how hard I try.  Then I have a small, unthrifty and stunted kid.

This year the first 2 kids born here started out fine, but their mom just doesn't have enough milk as they grow.  She is a FF and sometimes it happens in the first year.  Anyways I tried a bottle for days with more milk on me then in them tongue  I watched as they pathetically followed her around getting smaller and thinner, just waiting for a chance to nurse.  I did notice that when we fed grain in the evening they were trying to get some but were always pushed away.  I vowed right then I would never have another scrawny kid if I could help it!

My daughter and I took the wooden cattle gates we use as kidding pens, flipped them over so the wider slats were on the bottom and put up a pen where I hang a light that the kids ( especially the 2 small guys) like to lay under. It is along the barn wall and it attaches to the panel that divides the bucks pen from the does in that barn , so it is well anchored , sturdy and tall.

I set out a pan with my grain mix, a pan of alfalfa pellets and a flake of my second cut clover.  I has been almost a month now and ALL the kids are eating in there now, but most importantly my 2 smaller guys are growing, fat and sassy  Smiley  They play, they climb up on me and are just thriving with bright happy eyes.  All the kids are just growing so fast.  I can't believe what a difference it has made!
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2020, 07:31:42 AM »

This is such a sweet success story.  Those babies probably wouldn't have survived had you not built that.  It's funny how God intervenes when we are set out to rescue a baby from sure starvation.  In the past it failed but this time, he helped you to make it work.  Thank goodness for your daughter helping you, as I'm sure you're probably not suppose to be doing that with your shoulder just yet.

Here's a thought for you when you have a momma not producing enough milk for her babies....When we had our "oops" breeding a I had a doe way too young to be bred that got bred, I didn't want her growth stunted as this Doe needed to be in a show ring, not stunted in growth.  At the time my Vet was a caprine specialist.  After talking with everyone here in Goatbeat, and my Vet, we put her on high calcium...600 to 1000mg twice daily, until the babies were weaned and then she stayed on that high calcium (600mg level) until she was fully grown.  Now I know this isn't in reference to your girl not producing enough milk, BUT, on our Doe (who was a registered SA Boer Doe), she produced so much milk (remember now she birthed when she was 9 months old) that it dripped out of her teats even after the babies nursed.  When I talked to my Vet about it, she said that higher levels of Calcium with Vitamin D, would help her produce more milk, and advised that I reduce her current dosage of 1000mg twice daily down to 800mg twice daily.

Girlfriend, her babies were mammoth sized at 4 months old...both bucklingsā€¦.Lightening and Rumble were 105lbs at 4 and 1/2 months old and NOT creep fed, but fed 2 times daily.  It really worked for her milk production and her stunted growth. 
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Julie H
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2020, 12:20:50 PM »

I will keep that for future reference.  This doe kidded at 2 and while she isn't super big , she was a healthy doe and in real good weight.  Her mom can easily feed trips so I know a good udder is in her genetics. You can believe that I will watch her next year before she kids and I will supplement her if her bag seems small.

I had another doe ( FF) with a smaller udder as well but she had a single, so he is getting plenty.  Her mom fed trips every year too, so I know she should do better than that. I will watch her too.

I get so tickled every time my little guys call me to fill the feeder and when they climb up on me and gaze into my face.  They would make some little girl wonderful pets Smiley
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2020, 05:59:53 AM »

 Grin Grin  I think that little girl may be you!!  Grin Grin

They can surely romance and seduce our hearts in just seconds can't they? 
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Julie H
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 01:11:00 PM »

No enabling allowed Birdie!! Come to think of it--they would fit in well at your place in TX  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 10:20:48 PM »

This is the first year I haven't used a creep feeder for my kids. Mostly because they are bottle fed, so I can put dishes in their pens because there are not adults.

Creep feeding makes a huge difference in the growth rate of kids.
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2020, 06:42:28 AM »

No enabling allowed Birdie!! Come to think of it--they would fit in well at your place in TX  Grin

I can't tell you how badly I would really love it if they could Julie.

This is the first year I haven't used a creep feeder for my kids. Mostly because they are bottle fed, so I can put dishes in their pens because there are not adults.

Creep feeding makes a huge difference in the growth rate of kids.

I know years ago we all talked about creep feeding.  I tried it one year.  I only had a few pounds difference in what I did before to the creep feeding, but I fed the fastrack too.  I tried creep feeding with the calves too, and decided against that real quick.  Creep feeding wasn't necessary when I was using the fastrack.  4 month old baby boys weighing over 100lb being fed 2 times daily...I thought that was a good finish for them at weaning.
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Julie H
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2020, 01:13:41 PM »

What is Fastrack? A feed or supplement? 

All I know is that it is making a difference not only in the kids .

It has a positive and negative side though.  Positive for the growth of the kids,  but a Negative on how much they can consume!!
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imalilbirdie
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2020, 06:39:44 AM »

Fastrack is like a probiotic only way more powerful.  I use to be an Independent Business Owner selling the Fastrack products.  However, I only did it to supply myself and others with a product that is very effective.  I didn't do it to make a killing or get rich off it.  I just wanted it for my animals for cheaper money actually.  And until it got so expensive that I couldn't afford it at my discount price, I used it faithfully, every day, on every animal I owned.  Fastrack is like a super charged probiotic.  It doesn't just enhance their immune system, it also enhances skin/hair coats, hoof growth, eye sight, and the best part of it was the ability to digest all they ate, not just a portion of it.  By digesting all they at, my babies grew super fast, carried magnificent weight gains (without creep feeding...we had one baby boy out of Timmy (eggsfile bloodline) that weighed 105lbs at 4 months old, built like a power house, and not creep fed, receiving 2 cups of grain morning and night).  Most all our kids including Doelings were knocking the 100lb body weight by 4 months old.  Mom's were given fastrack as well, which helped them to produce 45% more milk, with the immune system boost to the kids before they started eating grain on their own.  Our death rate was nil...all our babies survived and thrived.

We found that feeding fastrack, we saved on over all feed costs, as with them digesting all they ate, it took much less to keep them healthy and happy and in proper body weight.  We saved BIG TIME on vet costs, as their immune systems were so strong, that they just never got sick.  We were able to push out hoof trimming 2 to 3 weeks later than most Boer goats required it, and the Kiko's, we trimmed once a year.  Over all it was and still is a magnificent product.  Especially the Fastrack Boost Starter Gel...if you get a weak or sick animal, that stuff will definitely bring them back fast.  I just can't afford it any more.  The price of it has gone off the charts for a farmer to be able to justify it's benefits to cost ratio.
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Julie H
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2020, 12:18:10 PM »

Wow it does sound wonderful!  I wish I could afford it too.  I might look at having the gel on hand if I would get someone who isn't feeling well.
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