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K-Ro
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« on: February 13, 2011, 05:41:07 PM »

Well had another big buckling born this afternoon, but this ones lower jaw is a good 1/2" shorter than the top, is this what is called parrot mouth?

I know not to do this breeding again, but is there anything we can do to help the little guy out?  He will be banded and probably freezer bound anyways.

He was able to nurse from mom and got the first colostrum.

I will post some pics later this evening just to make sure this is what it is, I have never seen it before.
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 05:53:01 PM »

As long as he can eat and drink, he will be going into the freezer, I wouldn't worry about it.  I have never seen parrot mouth and would like to see pictures of him.  It will be a learning experience for me too K-Ro.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 05:59:34 PM »

The name says it all, they look like a parrot! You may have to send him to freezer camp early or he may be able to eat just fine, its a hit or miss thing with them. Some adapt just fine, others are hard keepers. While being on mom, there should be no issues, the grain and hay may cause troubles, or just the hay. If the grain is a problem, you can try soaking it to make it easier to chew. If it's the hay, try feeding very fine grass hay. And band him as early as you can so there are no accidents!

There is also the chance that his jaw may straighten out as he gets older.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 07:40:35 PM »

clickable pics






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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 07:51:51 PM »

Yes...I would say that this is a classic case of parrot mouth....I had one born with this problem and he did very well with eating from birth all the way up to slaughter!!!! I think it all depends on the degree of the defect and the goat!!! He is such a sweet looking little fellow!!!
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 07:58:50 PM »

Do you remember Polly?  She was born with a parrot mouth and believe it or not, she outgrew it..you couldn't tell she was ever that way at age 5 months.  My Vet told me that she was so cramped and tangled inside her momma, that she just didn't have room to lay right.

If I were you, I'd give this baby plenty of time to out grow it..this baby looks no worse than Polly did at birth.  I have pictures in Photo bucket of it..when I get to "my" computer, I'll post them for you.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 09:12:01 AM »

He is a cutie!
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 10:29:24 AM »

Yep he's a cutie.  it was another hard birth for one of my girls though. He came out head only and was stuck, stuck, stuck.  Finally managed to get one leg out then the rest of him.

But they are both fine and he is just a jumpin and runnin this morning.  Obviously, been nursing well too.

I don't remember Polly right now, I might when you post a pic though.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 11:15:36 AM »

Thank you for posting the pics K-Ro.  I had never seen parrot mouth before.  Is this a genetic thing, or just because he was cramped? 
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 11:37:01 AM »

A "true" parrot mouth is genetical..however, with Polly and I'm going to say with K-Ro's description of how this boy came into the world..with him as well it's the delivery and formation in the womb.  Polly was a huge kid too, very large for a Doeling..she was if I remember correctly 12.5 pounds and her twin sister a little over 7 pounds. 

here's the pictures of Polly when she was newborn and just a few days old..
newborn..just a few hours old..hadn't even stood up yet..


a month old..see how she's coming out of it at a month old?




now look at her at just 3 months old..it's hard to see, I know that..but she's the same as totally out grown it by this age..at 5 months old you couldn't tell she was ever a parrot mouthed kid.







My vet checked the roof of her mouth, and it wasn't deformed at all..she advised me to give her time..that with her mouth the way it was, she could still nurse and do just fine and she did, she's beautiful today..those bright blue eyes she has is just splendid and gorgeous!

Give your boy all the time he needs..I'll lay odds he comes right out of it. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 12:27:13 PM »

 If it is truly genetic, he won't grow out of it. But if he is able to nurse fine and is
freezer bound anyway, I would just not really worry about it. Problems start when
they get to grazing age and that bottom jaw being way back doesn't allow them to
get at the grass properly. If fed hay and/or grain he won't have a problem.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2011, 01:20:27 PM »

He's too cute to be freezer bound!!!!  Is that a pygmy goat?  How big do they get?
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2011, 05:29:59 PM »

Well, I was told by an "old time vet" how to help that lower jaw move forward. Let him suck on your thumb and as he does, gently pull that lower jaw out a little at a time. He said gradually it will bring it forward to normal.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2011, 06:50:41 PM »

awww, Polly is cute.  Glad she came out of the parrot mouth.

He is a French Alpine that is our 'main' breed around here.  We do have 3 pygmies running around but I have not bred them in a few years, they are 'pets'.

This boy will be banded and he's freezer bound anyways.  I say that every year, and have yet to put one in the freezer, lol.  They have all found pet homes, except 4 wethers I sold for a Quincentara party (yes, I am sure I spelled that wrong too).

At this time, he's a happy nursing little guy. I will work with his lower jaw to see if I can get it to where it needs to be though.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 02:55:17 AM »


  So long as he can feed he will be fine.My Stu-Magoo had the worst parrot mouth I've ever seen (much more pronounced than either Polly or this new baby) but he grew to be enormous and lived to a happy old age. In his prime he was well over 230lbs so it didn't slow down his eating!
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